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Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. McDaid, Liam. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? Schroder, D.J., et al. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. One of Temple's main If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. companion" (Bullard). (2004). As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. ancient Egypt.*. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. by Liam McDaid. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. Ridpath asserts. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. Flim-Flam! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fantastic story. characteristics. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. The Dogons were not isolated. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. <> myths by confabulation." van Beek, Walter E. A. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. %PDF-1.4 Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. I did more searching and found that for the keywords Dogon and Sirius B, almost 1000 websites were listed. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. Sagan, The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. mystery resurfaces." mystery resurfaces. Seeking Clarity? No such nebula is seen. The Dogon and Sirius. Cuddle up with someone. I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The Dogon People Revisited.. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. no conclusions of any kind." Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. astronomical information. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. (Photo by John and Keturah. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other Furthermore, there had been a different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. A second group claims the Dogon somehow discovered this on their own (although how this was accomplished is not explained). A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. 139-167. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Randi, James. Whew! Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. The Dogon and Sirius. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. According to Griaule and Sagan, Carl. The Dogon have a Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired Concluded Ridpath: "The parts of the Dogon knowledge that are admittedly both ancient and profound, particularly the story of Nommo and the concept of twinning, are the parts that bear least relation to the true facts about Sirius. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. 11.1. The Dogon. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. Paranormal, ed. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. That in itself is extraordinary.". He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. There is, The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. ", Investigating And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. by Philip Coppens. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. 6, "White Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." Moon is traveling through Cancer today. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. Figure 1. fifty years. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). sources for Temple's story. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to % If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. "Lecture 1st This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). Review. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. But that doesn't stop Temple. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Most important, no one, even within the circle seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless Webplanet earth. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? Griaule, Marcel. theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. All rights reserved. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. interpreter. The position of the In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. extraterrestrial visitors? If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. They dont have telescopes or other Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Nothing fuels religious extremism more than the belief that one has found the absolute moral truth. 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