Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. Paragraph. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Its always good to get correction! Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). It all depends how you measure success! Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. End of Discussion. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. (2Tim. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. Period. If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. John MacArthur. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. Find a Church . This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. PPS. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Some are good, some are bad. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. complete with standing ovation. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. Market data provided by Factset. I can write the e-mails. One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. It never occurs to me for a second to not fulfill it. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." Could you tell me the difference? "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Your email address will not be published. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. Can I suggest an alternative standard? Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. Chandler only eventually took action as the wheels were about to fall off the Mars Hill bus and, sadly, only when great damage had already been done to the body of Christ. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. What am I gonna do? And lets talk about finance. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. Truth in love. Not on Amazon it aint! [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. Market data provided by Factset. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. 4) Wrong on all counts. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. 3. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. So it wasnt all bad. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. If that is the last word then so be it. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. It happens. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? Its not that difficult to grow large congregations which teach heresy if you think size is an indication of faithfulness then why are you not a Muslim, a Mormon or a Moonie?! Im not sure that things work in quite the same way in the US. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. (John MacArthur). 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). Because your worth it! LOL! The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. He is a ministry collaborator with . An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. PS. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. Required fields are marked *. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. March 5, 2021 . Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. Firstly in the teaching. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. Opinion Preston Clegg. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. . Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. Its only your perception and I would deny it. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). 4, 3-4). This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . . It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? If you dont like it, too bad. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. It was neither juicy nor gossip. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. I hope this mature and open enough for you! Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. Were deeply grateful for that. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. They do things right. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. 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