For reasons I can't quite explain, this particular powder just didn't get along with that rifle. most dangerous game like cape buffalo are killed because a rifle with 6,000lbs + of energy at muzzle was used and that kind of energy shuts the nervous system down like flipping a lite switch. I was surprised because the gun twisted in my palm about 1/2" or more to my left with a sharp pinging sound that was not very comfortable to my ears. Do the math. I eventually switched to 9mm as I started shooting competitions and saw the .40 was a limiting factor. Even the FBI has phased out the .40 S&W in favor of the 9mm. Download our exclusive shooting targets for FREE ($47 value) This has caused a debate in the firearms community over what's better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. Typical 9mm muzzle velocity can range from 950 fps to over 1,500 fps depending on the grain and load of the round. Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. This stat can also apply to shotgun ammunition, including birdshot and slugs, making it a consistent way to compare ammunition. The 9mm is ballistically superior to the .38 Special, there's no doubt about that. Be familiar! Myself Feel free to check out these sources: The .45 has proven itself, period. He pulled out a 9mm round and a 45 acp round and held them both in his hand. I do just like the author says. For the elderly, the recoil of the standard 1911 45 is lesser because of its weight. In my case it was no weapons displayed (but you must always assume present) against a $h!t brick linebacker. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. A 9mm is generally cheaper, has less recoil and higher velocity than a .45 ACP. It tracks the movement of the bullet in zero wind conditions, and out to 100 yards. AR-9s and other like 9mm platforms. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. Maybe alternate .45 hollow point and hot buffalo bore or extreme penetrator (best of both worlds). Youre alluding to it but youve cited nothing Thank you. I've personally had the experience of using a Thompson .45 submachine gun (A1 army variant) full automatic. I chose 45 acp. Most likely they use it because they want to be special and have a pretty gun to stand out from the peons using standard issue pistols. This depends what you mean by "outperforms the 9mm". The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". I can only say this: When your life - and the lives you protect - depend on 18 ready available bullets, youre going to wish for more. That has nothing to do with WWII and everything to do with people not remembering or even wanting reminders of our past to keep them on the right path. Hi Chris. Watching high speed camera footage of bullets entering ballistic gel really clues one in to the effect of hydrostatic shock versus the more traditional thinking that the bigger the wound channel the bigger the damage. In reality it may be the bigger the amount of energy dumped into the target, and the more water displaced as a result, the bigger the damage. Add in the big, fat, slow, it would seem the only advantage of a 45 is if the target is in the room with you. This is because larger bullets require more energy to be launched at a high speed. Testing conditions were 50 degrees Fahrenheit with full sunlight. If you, as an individual, can put in the training required to fully leverage 40S&W or 45acp then it can be a great choice for personal defense. its a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if youre set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. The downside of a Glock is that it is a Glock. Firing the 9mm at the range was fun, then I fired the .45had to peel the smile off of my face. Both handguns have a huge following thanks to their popularity and success in the field. They and FN took care of the capacity issue. Muzzle velocity is key. Mr. Mudgett. This will likely require a head shot. FBI agents have been observed to shoot faster and more accurately with the 9mm. Factory loaded rounds are most commonly available with 115, 124, or 147 grain projectiles. I have pistols chambered in .22lr, 9mm Luger, .40 S7W, 357 SIG, and .45 ACP. So muzzle energy is certainly real and a consideration; however, if hit in the eye with a .22LR versus hit in the arm with a 45 ACP means anything, worry about aiming over power. A variation of the _gat cookie set by Google Analytics and Google Tag Manager to allow website owners to track visitor behaviour and measure site performance. ========================= But, like you said, all of this arguing is moot if you cant hit your target! Gun writer, Josh Wayner, reveals the results of his 9mm velocity trial. However, physics will not be denied, and .45 ACP, while slower, is heavier, and will therefore break bones that 9mm would otherwise deflect off of. the increased effectiveness of the .45 ACP roound is negligible with today's modern expanding bullets. Good evening! Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does hold, Well, this might rock your world but I recommend getting one of each, While there are a number of compact .45 ACP models on the market, as a general rule, you can expect the 9mm to be more, Ultimately, both calibers are great to have. Now you may assume that the 9mm's must be effective because they simply passed through the body since more than half were FMJ's. The truth is somewhere in the middle; From weekend plinkers to elite rifle competitors, understanding the basics of muzzle velocity is an essential part of gun ownership and marksmanship. After examining the gunshot wounds, the study ranked accuracy as follows for chest and head shots: .380 ACP (76%), 9mm (74%), .40 S&W (76%), .357 SIG (81%), .45 ACP (85%), and .44 Magnum (88%) (there was no information on 10mm). When comparing a 115 grain 9mm round to a .45 ACP bullet that weighs twice as much, that difference is so substantial that the energy foot pounds can be nearly equal. (Here are more tips on how to shoot more accurately.). However, 'over-carry' isn't really the correct term, because one never knows what one will walk into, or how one will react to an encounter. However, there might not be enough time for all that. Kinetic energy. My preference is for the .45 (partly due to the fact that though I've fired a 9mm, I don't own one but mainly through greater familiarity with the .45 & having a decent stock of ammunition for same) but I don't think a person would go wrong with the 9mm & for that matter (even though it wasn't included in the comparison) the .38. I have both and like them both. We see this repeated in other products. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. I literally just bought one of these. Youll hear a lot of people say that the .45 is better because it shoots a bigger caliber bullet, or that the 9mm is better because of its capacity. Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. Locally we are seeing a lot of police involved shootings using 9mm, and they empty the clip almost every time. I could not sell my 9 mm fast enough Same debates have raged on Betamax vs VHS, mustang vs camaro, HD-DVD vs Bluray, etc etc. Muzzle velocity is generally stated in feet per second, or fps. However, many European brands are listed in meters per second, which is abbreviated as either mps or m/s. For consistency, well use fps for the rest of this article like the red-blooded Americans we happen to be! When discussing the FBI and their conclusion that agents shoot better with the 9 mm, all I can say is look at their shooters. The other point is shoot someone in the hand with a 9 he drop his gun shoot them with a 45 they will drop their hand. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. Across the spectrum, the .45 had no discernible or predictable muzzle velocity reading between barrel lengths with the shortest length often outpacing the longer ones. I'm not making this up. Need more.? Now to the .45 issue: one patient was shot in the back of the leg with a .45 hydro shock round mid way up the leg which lodged in the back of the knee. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to modern .45 caliber handguns like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. In the old days cowboys put 5 rounds in their 6 shooter and money in the last chamber to be used to bury them. Until you're reaching velocities where hydrostatic shock becomes a thing (2,500+ fps) you're poking holes in flesh bags. Edit : You can get a firearms licence in this country but you have to be a farmer or pheasant shooter with an impeccable criminal history and with verified references and personality tests. It is up to you to determine the compatibility of any ammo with your particular pistols. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Not saying I could do any better but figured it would be closer to 50%. So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. A lot of this pissing contest about pistol calibers is very egocentriccentric. Practice practice and take a gun class to learn the law. Thats why its more popular in police, military, and civilian use. Something to remember when shopping around for a 9mm. The 9mm is well established as a reliable handgun cartridge, but if speed is your goal, the 5.7 delivers faster muzzle velocity. Try a .357 magnum . This is the true speed that the bullet is capable of traveling when fired from a standard handgun in good working order. My 1911 in 45 has little recoil barely if any more then a 9mm. I am not an expert, I've never had a bear encounter. Not true at all. 45 acp, with a father like the one we had, YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. Per chance were you assigned to Devonshire Division of LAPD? Also, the statement in this article regarding that 9mm's are more comfortable and lighter I feel is only meagerly correct. When I asked them why .they said it was because they didn't make a 46. Like clipped on the front of your backpack harness or belt, in a manner where it can quickly be retrieved and used. Placement regardless the expansion will do the job. Nothing against the 9mm, I own several, for the range, not for carry. I take my Colt Gold Cup in .45ACP any day over a typical 9mm pistol. Golden saber .65 Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. Ill take the big 45 any day. This is why armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot tank rounds fly at speeds above 5000 fps. Wish you had more ammo brands like in the 45 acp test you did. e.g. Good show all. By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. As you can see with .357 SIG, which has greater velocity and mass than .45 ACP, it still penetrates less. In .45 acp, with 230 grain target rounds we started shooting the same targets we shot with the 9mm and 38 spl, well guess what As a civilian I doubt the I will need an ammo dump under my gun to defend my life. Some has been published here and I am working on other barrel length projects. We'll cover the pros & cons of 9mm vs .45 ACP, from stopping power to expansion, accuracy, price, capacity, and more. To summarize: I once was like you, but since having been here I have become educated (not brainwashed) and a happy gun owner, because: 1. To say that the 9mm is justbas oowerful than the .44, is totslly nonsense. "taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries" is a standard line because police and EMS cannot pronounce death. That being said, I would go to hell and back with my HK USP 45. That means 2-3 hits per mag in 9mm vs 1-2 hits in .45 ACP. Here it is for those of us who have long since forgotten: KE = 0.5 m v2 where m = mass of object v = speed of object Close your eyes, then bring the weapon up to bear. When you have an over penetration or miss, which is likely in an adrenaline filled situation. I agree. Youve shot hundreds of people with both 45ACP and 9mm under exacting reproducible scientific conditions ? The main reason the military and law enforcement switched to 9mm, is to "accommodate" people (females) with weaker upper body strength. Hi Holmes, you're right. One or two will stand out. "ANY GUN will do!! So if you double tap someone or use Mozambique you are in lots of troubles and you are looking for serious jali time for murder. PS. The LaserLyte is bore set low to compensate up to 300 yds. As a beginner, I'm going hiking with lots of bears. any lower powder grain ammo with a soft or no jacket on the led.. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. If I am going mowing in bear country, my 1911A1 and eight FMJS are with me in case God forbid a bear attack.s. For example, going from a 4" barrel to 7" (a 3 inch difference), every load got well over a 100 fps increase in velocity. 24 is the SAAMI (industry) standard despite the fact that most .223 ammo is probably fired from an 18 AR-15 barrel. Contrary to world-wide teaching, not one of us was born (or created) in the "image and likeness of God." Like I said I am a competition pistol shooter with mini trophies so I know what I am saying We are now restricted to 10 or less rounds in the mag here in Washington State. Momentum is what gives more knock down power. I am not a Glock guy by any means, but ammo is ammo and I always find tested results like these to be useful. With half coming in under 400 ft lb. But personally I would have both a BIG gun like 44 Magnum and spray, not one or the other. Wait until he starts moving toward you? As the most popular handgun cartridge, 9mm ammo is available with every conceivable type of projectile including frangible, shot, rubber, and blank. Well cover the calibers capabilities and offer velocity, energy and bullet drop data for the most popular 919 loads at AmmoToGo.com. : If you seek peace, prepare for war. This was the motto of its original manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken. One thing I do like about 9mm ammo that wasn't mentioned is the weight especially in bulk. How about THIS for a head fake?! Really? = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. Large naval guns will have high length-to-diameter ratios, ranging between 38:1 to 50:1. I am pretty much in agreement with the author, GET BOTH! Saying you can stop an attacker faster with a 9mm than a 45 is absolute ignorance. that is much easier to deal with. Today, modern incarnations of his cartridge significantly exceed that limit. The FNX 45T and a few others hold around 15 rounds. Engagements where distance and volume of fire are important, 9mm has the advantage. Except for maybe a BB gun! 9mm is the solution. With modern ballistics the 9mm went from weak and unreliable to usable. I load for accuracy which to me is far more important. Having some experience with both calibers and owning every one you can name I would also like to mention body armor/bullet proof vest testing. Have a place to barricade yourself in, in mind beforehand and think about what you would do yourself if it happened to you. And also i want 9mm both of them. It squirts so much flame out the sides it would scare an attacker half to death. He further explained that smaller shooters found the 45 to be more accurate on follow up shots due to the reduced muzzle movement. Standard pressure .38 Special only produces 264 foot-pounds of force (147-grain bullet at 900 feet per second . Rightfully, the 9mm counter argument is that there is no such thing. I read most of the posts that preceded mine. Powder: Non-Corrosive. And by that time I lost interest in learning more. You got a bad guy? BS! In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. I decided to further streamline my test by using three pistols from the same manufacturer. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. One other thing of interest is that in the Buckeye Firearms study both velocity and mass increase accuracy, but again, accuracy favors calibers that can excel and one or both of these things. Be situationally aware, proficent and accurate with your weapon and the rest will fall into place. My kind of old LADY,but,she's probably too young for me. (btw; I cast, coat and load 40, 41 & 45 Colt). From target to self-defense, 9mm is an extremely diverse caliber. I was an ATL and TL with 173rd ABN BDE LRRP 1966-67. I currently carry a .40 s&w. I dont have a problem with the recoil of any of the calibers so thats not an issue for me. They are often shooting at moving targets who may be taking cover and at the same time the officers are trying to take cover and not get shot themselves (this isn't range shooting). Like V8 vs turbo 4 vs supercharged vs NA. I have total confidence in that pistol. Enjoy your retirement. As far as capacity goes, I live in a 10 round state. I recently moved to my country property and am living alone. The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. The same advancements that the 9mm has received, so did the .45. Physics works whether you're a criminal or a descent citizen. shoot it with a hot 45acp and it will tear a huge ragged hole and dang near clothsline out the hanging rope. Then retreat after spraying. For a carry I use a compact 45. as are some of my other tests. That would explain why unbelieving (LOST) people in "HELL" "BURN, but NEVER BURN-UP"..!!!"??? We measured the velocity for all 40 rounds using a Competition Dynamics Prochrono chronograph placed 10 feet away from the muzzle. He was being serious. The bullet doesn't matter if you can't shoot it with some accuracy. It appears to me, however that when comparing calibers in terms of penetration, the opposite is true. Hi capacity is unnecessary 5 and above is just fine. When i saw people who were actually shot with it and survived I opted for the 40 S&W. My non-silenced weapons are 9mm my silenced weapons are .45. Another benefit is that both are bottleneck cartridges dramatically lowering the chance of a failure to feed malfunction, an issue with both the 9mm and .45. One hit with a larger caliber is more debilitating than a smaller one. More penetration does not mean more deadly. Later If you are choosing the 9mm simply because of capacity, you might want to also consider the FN Herstal FNX-45. Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. .45 S&W Shield for concealed and home defense and Glock 17 for shtf all bases covered. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. Measurements are the opposite of vague . 5.7mm FN 30 Grain SS195LF Jacketed Hollow Point Average muzzle velocity: 2162 fps Average muzzle energy: 311 ft/lbs. So, I disagree with the Taylor KO index . First to mention, we are limited to FMJ rounds, no HP no JHP, just plain FMJ. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. Somethig to the discuters, even for an author. I love your Pro / Con's of each. question, Both 9mm and .45 ACP workjust personal preference, imo. You cite physics you don't understand and claim that your opinion is fact. However, if the same linebacker hits you at a sprinting speed of 14 miles per hour, its really going to hurt. I carried the 45 in VN and I had to use it. This is not exactly scientific. Sentimental value does not are a round more lethal. I like both & depending on where I'm going, how long I'll be gone, what I'm wearing & how I'm feeling makes my choice for me. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. Grip circumference on the 9mm and ,45 pistols is not that different. Interesting discussion thanks for the insight and thoughts. . American manufacture and the American firearms industry was able to restock and resupply them when no one else could have. I finally settled on the .380acp for awhile because the size of the handguns matched my older 22lr Handgun. Due to its bulky size I generally leave it wedged in between the front seats of my truck so I can access it fairly quickly, I never badly carry it because of the uncomfortable size and also because I live in Florida a lot of people still dont support concealed carry as much as Id like them to so I worry about it peaking out from under the bottom of my shirt and causing an issue with someone. Few people carry the G 34 however which is usually used for competition shooting. 45 auto shells cost more too. ANYONE who says in a civilian encounter they can end it in 3 shots is either a psychopath, a liar, or never been in a SHTF scenario. Just saying, look it up. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Studies done on combat troops show similar hit ratios to these LEO stats. The 9mm is no pea shooter and a.45 acp is not a one shot giant killer. Ballistics101.com's handgun testing is even more comprehensive and makes the .45 look even more powerful. Loading 41 mag to pussycat loads could bring it down to cross over with the 10. The real reason why the FBI switched from 40 to 9mm is the same reason they switched for 10mm to 40, most cant handle the recoil and they dont pass the required score in the firing tests, same for civilians they cant handle the recoil, they groups are horrible then blame the caliber instead stop eating bacon and improve they fitness condition. a G43 to an AR15 fight. You must slow down. I had hoped for more than just a speed comparison. lbs. On the other OTH, if you're proficient with either the 9mm or 45 AUTO, then, go with it. Put several makes and models in your hand. I carry a high capacity compact 9mm (P365XL with the magguts 14+1 mags) or a 357 As you might imagine, muzzle velocity varies quite widely depending on the type of gun you are shooting. I then fired the same round into the post at an angle from an HK-94 (16 barrel). But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. Less recoil making for more accurate follow up shots is a huge advantage in a high stress defense situation. I really enjoy carrying the 22 TCM, 19 rnd, 40 gr hollow points. I'm sure this was a terrible feeling for him. unable to see the data graphs from the article. It is a dangerous world, much more than most believe. And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carrying. My dream gun has always been a 1911 in 45 cal but after watching the video I'm on the fence again. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. The 135-grain Critical Duty load, by contrast, travels at 1,100 fps from a five-inch pistol and generates 369 ft.-lbs. Old, Fat and Slow will do the job on the other hand depending on clothing choices I've been know to carry a 9mm or a 380 and I'm comfortable with having the choice, 10mm While modern ammo allows a 9mm to reliable penetrate sufficiently and expand to over .6, the 45 can now reliably penetrate sufficiently and expand to over 3/4 of an inch. It is waaay better than me using my own time, ammo and chrono buddy to get it done. Youll do well to pick heavier bullet weights that convey a subsonic muzzle velocity. 9mm became the universal choice and approved by agency bookkeepers and bean counters. Did four years of our fighting? In a gunfight, the least acceptable hit percentage is 60% and less than 80% should be frowned upon, strongly. If the latter is true, the .45acp is still a better round. With that being said it all lies on personal preference. This stands in contrast to the results from my .45 ACP test, which was relatively unaffected. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. I have to say I like them all from 22 to 500 Smith. Did you know Eve was not the first woman? Pansies . The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. Whereas in .45, fully half of the rounds made 500 ft lb or more in a 6" barrel, and one round made better than 600 ft lb Muzzle Velocity - 5.7x28mm vs. 9mm. If so, another one which should lead to enough blood pressure drop to lose consciousness. But, with an effective grip the difference in recoil is not significant to have any real effect on the effective use of the handgun. The above writing concludes that my next pistol is .45ACP (already ordered Glock 41 MOS) and if I have to ever use it (and I hope not) - it will be one shot center body mass and wait if bad guy want to do something else. I soon will be adding a Colt Commander in 9mm to my cc option. which should I use a 9 mm or a .45? I agree the best caliber for you is the one that you shoot the best . If the bullet is traveling slowly, it will generally drop sooner, like the tossed ball; if it is hurled with speed, like the fastball, it will maintain a straight trajectory. Like many others, I use the .45 at home (and in the car) with the primary at home a Mossberg Persuader. Its not about practice - its all about the situation theyre in. Same old crap different day. Which he won't like. Expecially a HEAD, NECK or double tap CHEST shot!! "My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns"..For Christ sakes, get him a pellet gun. I've done some research on the differences regarding handguns, but now I'm getting a little confused. You always try to chose the right tool for the job, no surprise. and 45LC with one shot kills, both head shots. I found, for my wife, the 380A worked best for her. Especially without comparing the loads terminal performance at different ranges (especially in the case of the 70grain hollow body Lehigh). Everyone wants to put down the 45 and take up the 9 because they wont take the time and energy to get proficient with the 45, and if you are too weak or candy a## you never will master the 45. . Well, lets take a look at these two rounds and pit them against one another. pros y contras, el 9mm. You can find a calculator for it online yourself as this website doesn't allow you to post comments with URLs in them. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. Fortunately plenty exists. Killing the BODY "in this world" is MORE than Sufficient. A .45 is good for inside the home. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. Its not about hitting something or someone behind the assailant, it's about hitting something through the wall and the garden fence behind the assailant. Don't know about explode, but a good hollow point will EXPAND. I shoot one shot with a 45 and the muzzle blast brings the barrel up sometimes cocked sideways some making it slow and difficult getting the gun back on target. If you want to go further or apply wind resistnece then use custom seetings with our ballistic calculator. I've never had anyone die from being shot with any handgun round. If YOU Do!! Unfortunately I sense America is way beyond that point. "ANY GUN will do!! Europeans don't understand that the Democrats would introduce more gun control, and the Republicans fight against that; that there are both a pro-gun lobby and an anti-gun lobby. A heavy bullet going slow with the same energy as a light bullet going fast will transfer energy to the target better, but won't penetrate as well. The .40's heavier bullet means that when fired, it has a little slower velocity. 45 loses in every category except possibly suppression and shallow penetration, if you want to call that a pro. There is a difference between an LEO and a civilian. Modern .45 acp is overkill against most targets (which isn't a bad thing in itself, but better to have the extra capacity if you don't really have to trade a significant reduction in lethality for it). Obviously we are talking relative speeds between bullets, not relative speeds between a car and a bullet. My picks for rifles were 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 51. 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