This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? Hi I'm Robert Krulwich. He would change where the shocker and the shockee sat. Haber's gas troops, unscrew, they open the valves on almost 6,000 tanks, containing 150 tons of chlorine. And not just yeses. I was just astonished. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. In a way we wait for it still. Gary says, "I needed to kill." Yeah, well. Nitrogen is an essential part of amino acids and proteins. But if you put two experimenters in the room and-. Visit our website. We'll basically bring it to the front, and when the wind is right, we'll just spray it. He's part of the club and he really, really relished it. I would say in a powerful mood; we're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. And you like her. They're trying to be good participants. You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. And he believed it. And actually this wasn't just a German thing, a lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people on the planet, at that point, that maybe we were maxing out, that the earth couldn't support this many people. Don't you think you should look in on him, please? However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell. Yeah. Hmm. Hey this is Jad, RadioLab is supported by IBM. Is an absolute order. And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. So, at a time when there are people all over our country eyeing other people all over the country and thinking, "She's bad. Nitrogen is an essential part of amino acids and proteins. Yeah. Nice job? So, during World War I Haber's institute had developed a formulation of, um, insect killing gas called zyklon. So you see it's just in that one experiment that 65 percent of people are willing to go all the way. Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? Obedience droops to about 40 percent [inaudible 00:15:40]. I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. Alex Haslam, professor of psychology at the University of Exeter. The Bad Show Listen Transcript Image credits: Adam Cole Cruelty, violence, badness. And there behind the German lines is-. You know, just because of a mathematical summing up. So, right around 1900. You know, solar energy from the sun to grow crops. In that why, in that one simple why that he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you un-understandably evil man. The whole thing happened serveral years ago. A lot of them are really positive even though they've just been told that they were duped. And later that night after the party Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills 'cause he's asleep, um, and she takes his service revolver. What follows is this ongoing conversation between Job and his friends about why does this happen? They're doing it because they think they ought to. But what if something's happened to the man. I think what it's doing is, uh, if you breathe it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drown in your own phlegm. So these are some word pairs. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him certifiably to all his crimes. And why I cared for her because I dated her before, but this day didn't turn out right. He brings her up as an example of a- of a woman that he actually had strong feelings for. Three times a year, two times before-. When you press one of these switches all the way down, the learner gets a shock. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. His wife went into hiding. So, around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. That's what we're heading towards. Every time that guy got the word wrong. That's radio producer Ben Walker, he'll be our guide for this segment. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. So, how do you feel about him now because I don't know I can't help but feel bad for the guy? And maybe forces hydrogen in the tank. He could have never imagined that. This- this is really important. And so, Satan basically systematically destroys Job's life, takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. Thanks. It's part mix tape, part sonnet love letter, kind of like a daily musical journey into other human lives. Although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing 'cause it's sort of more complicated. And Hitler takes over. [inaudible 00:21:03] just cut it out. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some Radiolab credit. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. He eventually goes to England-. "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age." 10s, 10, 15, 20 times. The authoritative record of New York Public Radio's programming is the audio record. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". The good Iagos make you want to shower the minute you leave the theater. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal; which she hasn't. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. with the ideas that people would do bad if they think it's good, it's a good noble cause. Were you a little bit, like, horrified? There's a pause and my father just says. And it's just sort of approaching. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. Members of his extended family did. But if they were prepared to do that, and I suspect a lot of them would, um, then we'd say these are people who really believe in science. It's the experimenter. Then you left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said, "Yes. Or does everybody at some point have something dark in them? Reviews . Birds would just fall from the air. Now, why don't you just- what do you remember since we last talked in this interview? I mean you have to remember, during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. Y-P-R-E-S, Actually the Americans called it [inaudible 00:36:42]. In front of this really impressive looking machine. I think you got to answer it, "With him." Hey, it's Fred Kaufman, I'm calling to read the credits; here we go. This next part's a little graphic. Give me two more minutes. Is an absolute order. Go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30-day trial and a few audiobook. "This was a moment in German history," he says, "When Jews had a decent amount of freedom.". James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. And I was just astonished-. He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen, he just kind of went crazy, he had snapped; and almost blaming the victims. Our main story is the haunting tale of a chimp named Lucy. Radiolab is supported, in part, by the National Science Foundation, and by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science, technology in the modern world. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. And so in 1918, Fritz Haber gets the Nobel Prize. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Just to put that into context and to bring a few other of our storytellers in. And while David's sitting in the bedroom with this friend, the guy looks up at him and he says-, Like, through his teeth. Right, Clara comes from the same town, and they're both secularized Jews. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. This next part's a little graphic. "Definitely yes.". The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. So basically, at 6 p.m. on April 22nd-. Yeah, me too. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him, certifiably, to all these crimes. He's bald. And they're behind the German lines is-. And they would circle yes or no. No one has ever said about a sex tape that I've ever, so no. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies. Okay, so I heard this one from this guy named David-. With AI, blockchain, and quantum technology, IBM is developing smart, scalable technologies that help businesses work better together. Uh, walked in and asked his wife, uh, where this friend of mine was. You can find out more information about all those guys on our website. How could you? "The experiment requires that you continue.". You can be sure of your purchase with Casper's 100 night risk-free sleep on it trial. Yeah let's . The killer seemed to have placed the bodies as if they were mannequins. Sort of unsportsmanlike. You better check in on him sir. Fast forward 10 years. And then Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering hew with a pillow. So he sends a letter to the Ministry of Education resigning, and he leaves Germany. What he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. We did a show called The Bad Show. Some people describe it as a cloud, and then others describe it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land, and it's just sort of approaching. You're not the first one. Dan Charles, Sam Keen, Latif Nasser, Fred Koffman and Fritz Stern. It just that-, Yeah. It's absolutely essential. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. Radiolab is supported by Casper. comment. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court [Foreign 00:12:14] to accuse Adolf Eichmann [Foreign 00:12:18], I do not stand alone. Now what you need to understand about Alex Haslam is that he hates it when interviewers only want to talk about the baseline study. 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