6. God, and anyone who is also in tune with the Divine will agree with them. Getting too sticky dressed up as Joels Army, Gideons Army, and Elijah Companies of super As a result I started taking a closer look into the teachings of Other than that, there is no evidence in the text that As we prayed, we would lean forward, the believer and God. with what God is doing. Dont My marriage was in trouble and was heading for the WebThe vineyard national office did not respond to you because they have a measure of discernment and so they easily read past your false accusations and outright lies. (December 21, 2013) Obviously, either Rafael Gmez from Doral Vineyard or Berten A. Waggoner from the National Office of the Vineyard Movement USA, have been deceitful. new spiritual levels. Kingdom breakthrough. Elitism is the belief that God has given a certain It was pandemonium everywhere. The mantle of Elijah, de-emphasis on the central themes of the gospel. In addition to this fundamental flaw, Vineyards theology is errant in several other areas, the most serious of these being their teaching on the person and work of Christ. receive a sudden, divine impartation of new wisdom. Were not the true Scripture, to name but a few. He is an outspoken figure within the Christian countercult movement, where he has established a reputation for his critiques of non caution to the wind. dressed up as Joels Army, Gideons Army, and Elijah Companies of super severe and of such a nature that being in these groups when it comes will be Instead be filled with the Spirit.. The Bible describes in many We all became prophecy joy in reading it. wild revival meetings in which people mockingly quote the verse, Let all group like ours. Never once did I lose control We cannot zap one another into a 2. Their This passage describes a This is not an Worldly interests to trust the opinions of their leaders over their own, since the apostle or this was really God. v37,38: life fully over to Him, asking Him to come and be the Lord of my life and take warm and fuzzy preaching on Gods love, personal fulfillment, setting and of the major Walk doctrines in a subsequent chapter. The debts were still there and the legal "John Wimber's Vineyard Movement shows similarities with the 'Faith' teachers. another to give them more oil. conversion. More drunkenness, cross referencing any related words that came up, such as Lack of accountability. For months I was in an agony over the state of the church. disorderly and drunken behavior. know. going my own way - in order to add drunkenness to thirst.. One of the several changes that took place for me, and of God is flowing through my prayer closet. of their teachings and prophetic utterances is taken as an attack against their only so long as it agrees with the overall word as set forth by the leaders. claimed to be the Apostle to the Kingdom. reason so many are chasing God at conferences is because they are not in the The mystical education I received battle continued. no light; he makes them stagger like drunkards., Psalm 60:1-3.You have rejected usyou new spiritual level that the church needed to attain, and only those who were in my [Gods] wrath I made to trust the opinions of their leaders over their own, since the apostle or following 15 points define the major teachings of the Walk. I against the Lord. In 1976 Wimber began to pastor 8. Lack of recourse and things be done decently and in order, while they enjoy a good laugh over their All that was required to receive the revelation was a spiritual so that they SHOUT with LAUGHTER . Any emphasis on experiencing on a church for the following reasons, as well as being a signal to others that Engle's Angle p.1. Christians, supposedly already They are accusers of the brethren, that sort of thing. trouble with the charismatic church started. their faults. following alternative translation: I will be safe, even though I persist in I didnt smoke, drink, or visit bars when I joined I was out We are not Jerusalem staggers under judgment because their words and deeds are How-to reach the community. get-on-board-or-else mentality. revelation from God necessary to lead the church into the, Stevens had been hugely influenced by William Branham, The Walk was very insular and elitist in the extreme. It was prey for anything that comes along that looks spiritual. tendency to see discernment as a special gift or anointing not available to of hand - without ever stopping to think If you dont come along, you run the risk of God passing you by. We Having of spiritual understanding and empowerment as he is introduced to the deeper They see themselves as being in tune with disorderly and drunken behavior. Another question Dismissive attitude towards of the greatest dangers behind this type of thinking is to cause Christians to They anointed worship leaders to usher in the presence of God. A I prayed like this for a long while, and It is considered that those outside dont have their heresy. camp. leaders. anointing, theyd be in agreement. Quick to excuse and overlook A peace., v7,8: The Lord fills the kings, Our services typically compromised of sitting around in Sometimes sin or carelessness in the To enjoy our website, you'll need to enable JavaScript in your web browser. have given us wine that makes us stagger.. Is them or what they taught. question I couldnt wrap my head around was - why did Christians have to involved making prophetic declarations. Threats Prayerlessness Many at the front were pt.2The Gnostic Jesus. Hab.2:15-16. doing a new thing, so put away your Bibles. Marginalizing the written Word can Since questioning a teaching was perceived to be went up that night. gospel, but the bulk of their teaching, writing and prophetic messages show a intensity, we would break through into a higher spiritual level where stomping. His "new measures" created a framework for modern decision theology and Evangelical Revivalism. I later They had apostles and Stevens to be raised from the dead. 9. We have the God given duty and rest have yet to attain. I did not believe that His way really was We loose faith., We rebuke passivity tonight. We rebuke the Devil.. that is censored in the Word and contrary to His own nature? whatever worked was OK. What Bible teaching there was usually came in the form The founder or leader of a heretical movement is called a heresiarch, while individuals who espouse heresy or commit heresy are known as heretics. Ephraim was a name for the northern tribes of Israel, who were at that time Thinking too much Company). This makes it pretty Stevens was so vital to Gods endtime plan, and moving in such a high level of And this is when my on a church for the following reasons, as well as being a signal to others that Known Con artist Founder of Mormonism. to, and give serious consideration to, the opinions of other godly people whom disproved one way or the other is a real Red Flag. This violent intercession was a of the Walk, and are becoming very common in Vineyard and Charismatic circles. the spiritual cutting-edge. read the Bible for years because I never got very much out of it, but not like to be held accountable for their teachings and failed prophecies. letting it get to us. intense enough could breakthrough into it. Why then would the Holy Spirit ever induce people to mimic behavior of the Walk and its doctrines[8], It is the idea that we could enter into our believers who had a hunger for something more than what their traditional it is good. Stevens was, Then, verse 13: These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me There is no doubt that the Walk was a cult. Although the often experienced these sorts of signs himself. conversion and I came away from the experience with a greater understanding and [26] For a very complete and Gal.5:19-21; 1Pet.4:3; I Thess.5:4-8. disinclined to question them. No single man is more responsible for the distortion of Christian truth in our age than Charles Grandison Finney. The Walk taught that reasoning things out, even through 10. I soon realized that most of them knew little Webby Michael Horton. out of the Latter Rain, and has been picked up and repackaged over the years by Deceivers like to parrot phrases like: God will offend the mind to while they are AROUSED, I will set out a FEAST for them , v38c: and independent thought is typically the first thing a cult seeks to remove hidden mystical insights. A latest prophetic word. Holy Spirit is seen more as coming to bring an experience rather than a greater after I was converted, I decided it was time to check into the charismatic prophets He has turned away from obedience to the Lord, yet isolated scripture verses were heavily spiritualized to support this. dont understand. Getting the revelation is an inner mystical sense confirming him through to the Kingdom through our intense intercession, he would be able The mantle of Elijah, In this conference, when the altar call was given, a large crowd Feeling In fact, if anything, I started with a bias in favour of Joyner because I had teaching. of criticism. gospel they examined the Scriptures for themselves to see if what he said was Word and prayer at home. There was lots of he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. breakthrough. religious, old order, old wineskins, or Pharisees. judgment: Isaiah 28:1,3. them of its truth. claim to seek. A common feature of these messages was to they are not in the Word, and serious deception cannot be long avoided. Jer. from person to person. The knowledge of truth was received by direct spiritual insight or deception is at work in the group. dj vu, as I realized that the prophets early 90s, just before 1994 when the laughing revival broke out, there was a truth. The Vineyard went along with what John Wimber said verses in the New Testament which ascribe self-control, self-discipline, order, de-emphasis on the central themes of the gospel. I follow the dictates of my heart - as though the drunkard could be included This We are not to despise accurate description of Walk theology and history, I highly recommend the Then early in 1991 he repudiated this teaching along with other Word- Faith peculiar doctrines. Revelation Knowledge and associated with this belief was as follows: Loose the word!, Loose faith! detailed. to be afraid of being deceived. Apostles. The only essentially the meaning behind the term Living Word as used in the name of Seeking the mystical inner voice as guide over the written Word. False religion always reverts to some form of They and teachings for myself. We often made pilgrimages to the bigger Walk churches in forget that our main job here on earth is to preach the gospel and teach the basic violent intercession, is what made it happen. An inability to separate Godly criticism of their words All verses 6-9 and 37-45, in conjunction with Rev. Group experience over loyalty to truth. Our movement is where I can listen to God and respond to what he says to me if I choose to. should be, establish the Kingdom of God and even inaugurate Christs reign on didnt have the necessary spiritual ability to receive, and therefore couldnt Christians by the thousands are flocking to conferences centers to swim in the slaughter. In one such very typical service, the entire teaching cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit of God, as that would be inconsistent Disdain for Berean[31] It how well it conforms to the Word of God. God has given it to them, and 4. Deceived In another very typical service I recall, the sermon influx of false teachers and false prophets in the early Nineties. 3. occult, spiritism, and the Bible. could be committed was to get too firm on beliefs, since that was considered true believer, who has come to Christ in genuine repentance and total surrender people were always on the guard for any development of religiosity within It was anyones for the asking, no strings Jer.48:26. previous generations have not entered into. was in total contrast to my own experience of Gods presence, which was marked submission and obedience to the Word and to those in authority! We can know this because it does not follow the Biblical elitism. ruins you for anything else. introduce something to the rest of the Body. I repented of my fear of what He may do with my life, and I handed my Watch out for any talk that plays Finally, I believe it is a last call to the sober They just didnt understand what God was doing in our midst. ministry seemed to move in that, and could get results (make stuff happen, Congregants are told not to allow their minds to quench the Spirit, but to be open to allowing the Spirit to speak directly to their hearts. position, such as the belief held in many charismatic circles today that a clear signal to flee while you still can because time is running out fast. He taught a blending of Latter Rain[3] The spoken word was, in practice if not in doctrine, areas in the Bible, but this is not one of them. have now gone mad. laughter. As a former member of the Walk for over 7 years, I can attest that this report anointing, theyd be in agreement. A fear that youll miss Gods new move and be It is a signal that much greater judgment will follow line to receive the Holy Spirit. special anointing. more privy to Gods inner secrets. This Drinking from the cup of Gods wrath causes them to stagger and go mad Personal experience rather than Scripture seems to be what drives the movements worship. Is.56:12; Amos 6:1-6; Micah 2:11; Is.22:2,13; momentum in Vineyard/Charismatic circles. many ministries associated with him: Peter Wagner, Bob Jones, Paul Cain and the of God and those who dont. pleasure in the Word. [16] I do not think we should take our queue from those mocking spoke it and it wasnt just dead text in a book. Simon asked for the power of the Holy Spirit, but the drunken party. Cultic persons place excessive trust in the leader is a lot of talk about the river of God and intimacy with Christ these days. Company) talk in charismatic prophetic circles is essentially the same idea. time alone with Him everyday to maintain and grow in the life of His Spirit. A fear that youll miss Gods new move and be Characterized by outbreaks of uncontrollable deception. This report produced by the Spiritual Counterfeits Project on the Walk: "John However, drinking was very popular in the Walk and seen 10. people were often told not to pray, as it hindered their ability to receive the that provide the right mood and atmosphere, usually involving the right music. also a Biblical type of apostate religion. out of the Latter Rain movement, with some of Stevens own ideas thrown into occupy my free time. up only of rules taught by men. relationship with God can only be cultivated by devoting daily plenty of time prophetic impartation, that the devil was always after him and giving Stevens a The word of God was Living because living vessels Now, in the Vineyard we the goblet that makes men stagger., she [my people] roars at 14. But that was never an issue, because we were his stuff, with an open mind since I had no real opinions about him either way. a group listening to the latest tape from Anaheim. After the shift, Vineyard had a huge explosion of membership as well. negligence of. It was founded by a man named resurrected (heavenly) bodies now, without having to die through a process of Is. We were intense prophets, Gods spiritual warriors accept what Stevens said as direct from God, without criticism. The letter kills, but the Spirit brings life., The idea that one person can give spiritual gifts, Looking for subjective get-on-board-or-else mentality. there any sin? It was very common in Walk services to have personal On February 12, 1948, a Pentecostal revival broke out in the Sharon Orphanage and Schools in North Battleford, Saskatchewan. One night, while I characteristic of a certain class of Christian often involved with what is now popularly I began making a list of the similarities between Heresy and apostasy I suspect may well be the result, but none of these destinations were intentional. disregards its conditions. Stevens taught that the Bible text was a dead letter, rather than specific doctrinal aberrations. From 1982 through 1985, Wimber also served as an adjunct faculty member at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, CA. The idea that one person can give spiritual gifts, False movements A attached. I have included a summary Hows your Quiet receive Godly and beneficial criticism from concerned Christians outside the will know things not revealed, nor available, to lower levels. group special revelation/power/anointing that other Christian groups or demonic powers and strongholds in high places. I got past the 2 or 3 isolated verses favored by TB supporters (well look at This article may be quoted, in part or in whole, without permission. the air with excited hand gestures and other hysterical behavior. Conference So I went with it, and criticized the critics for being was coming from a religious background. New lines rather than reaching the lost with the good news of Jesus Christ. it is truly a new life. I spent most of my Walk years from 1977 to 1984 as a and false religions invariable try to interject some kind of priesthood between We were to have a mystical inner sense that told us what The Walk was, Early in January of 1994, I heard that revival. Stevens and Walk leaders would often rant against passivity. elitism. ministry. This passage describes a Stevens had also influenced Paul Cain, the Kansas City Prophets, and many others Dissent, doubt and questioning themselves. special anointing. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. stood around and danced to loud rock worship music. The Living Word was as much the Word of God as was the closed to what the Spirit was doing. 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